One more reason to look forward to Win7

[neo0.]

True, but Pixelgem isn't an entire OS. It's substantially simplified image editing app..

Apple is saying that it will let developers use your GPU for their apps, but Win7 itself will take full advantage of your GPU right out of the box. They also list "more reliable disk ejection" as one of their stunning new features.

The taskbar in windows 7 also isn't as similar as it may seem to the mac dock.
http://arstechnica.com/software/news/20 ... askbar.ars

In windows, apps aren't always running (closing the last window of any app, closes that app), making easier to cut down on screen clutter. This also makes it a little hard to tell the difference between running apps and available apps. So, in windows you can quickly find what programs are running and shut down the ones you don't need to conserve cpu/ram. Then there are the live previews which let you easily choose which instance of an app you want to bring up.. as well the jump lists.

[pixie]

True, but Pixelgem isn't an entire OS. It's substantially simplified image editing app..

Apple is saying that it will let developers use your GPU for their apps, but Win7 itself will take full advantage of your GPU right out of the box.

I wonder which % do you understand of that babble tech talk you've writen...

[dakiru]

Neo0., may I ask you a question? Have you used any other OS than of the Windows family? And, if the answer is "yes", than which one?

[PureSpider]

Apple is saying that it will let developers use your GPU for their apps, but Win7 itself will take full advantage of your GPU right out of the box.

Aha so I write a regular app and Win7 magically turns it into a GPU accelerated one...

[pixie]

Apple is saying that it will let developers use your GPU for their apps, but Win7 itself will take full advantage of your GPU right out of the box.

Aha so I write a regular app and Win7 magically turns it into a GPU accelerated one...

It's magic, you know... it's built into Windows API since 7

[psor]

What a big, big misunderstanding is going on here.





take care
psor

[neo0.]

Apple is saying that it will let developers use your GPU for their apps, but Win7 itself will take full advantage of your GPU right out of the box.

Aha so I write a regular app and Win7 magically turns it into a GPU accelerated one...

LOL that's not even close to what I was saying. Windows 7 (as in the OS itself) is gpu accelerated. How can I make this any clearer, PureSpider? I wasn't talking about 3rd party apps, but rather the OSs UI. So again, way to jump the gun.

Neo0., may I ask you a question? Have you used any other OS than of the Windows family? And, if the answer is "yes", than which one?

Sure, our college mostly has macs, so I've spent alot of time with MacOS.. When I was very little, I also saw Linux, but it looked more like a programming window than an operating system.

[WytRaven]

Windows 7 (as in the OS itself) is gpu accelerated. How can I make this any clearer, PureSpider? I wasn't talking about 3rd party apps, but rather the OSs UI. So again, way to jump the gun.

Mac OS X has a fully GPU accelerated UI and has had for quite some time. Linux has had the option for a GPU accelerated UI for quite some time also.

Pixelmator is built on the Cocoa framework known as CoreImage which is a GPU accelerated Mac OS X API for image manipulation which has been around for some time.

The point here ne0 is that what MS, and yourself, are promoting as revolutionary is little more than MS catching up to the rest of the computing world. It is an unfortunate fact that the company with the largest share in the OS market is also the one that is least deserving of the position.

[WytRaven]

By the way, if any mac users here are interested in pixelmator you can get it for US$49 if you enter the coupon code MACMANIA before checking out.

US$49 for a realtime image editor is not bad (this coming from an owner of Adobe Production Premium CS4).

I really like that you can use your own Image Units or Quartz Compositions to expand the filtering.

No I am not affiliated with these guys at all just thought it was a pretty damn good deal worth sharing.

[neo0.]

Im not sure about "a long time". According to this, the feature was first introduced in Snow leapord. And according to wikipediam, it was released at the end of august, only a few months ago. As far, as I can tell, there is also nothing to support the fact that the OS uses it rather than simply offering support for it to 3rd party developers.. If you watch, the videos, I posted above, however, it is very clear that micorosft and nvidia were working together alot, meaning their OS would be very tailored to Nvidia cards. I assume that if you had the same thing going on between Apple and Nvidia, then there would be some videos documenting this kind of innovation. Nothing can be found on their website.


In fact, all that I can find on Apple GPU acceleration is open CL :

. Instead, once developers begin to use OpenCL in their applications, you’ll experience greatly improved speed in a wide spectrum of applications.

That's from the apple website.

The point here ne0 is that what MS, and yourself, are promoting as revolutionary is little more than MS catching up to the rest of the computing world

I respectfully disagree here as well. Examples?
>> Mac is just making the 64 transition. Microsoft did it with the XP, which was released nearly a decade ago.
>>Macs are just starting to use Nvidia Geforce 120s. PCs can use the very best, 260s. So, actually I think it is macs that are just catching up. Mac users can only get hardware as soon as Apple comes out with a new mac that uses it. With PCs, you can use the hardware as soon as it comes out. Kind of ironic, considering macs are portrayed by apple as something that's about you are yourlife and microsoft is this big, evil corporate giant. What happens if you want more hard drive space than 2 TB? Can you buy new hard drives and install them at your leisure, or are you stuck with the decision apple made for you?
>>How about this wonderful thing called PC gaming? How many titles are available on Mac? A few dozen? How many for PC? A couple hundred probabaly.

[WytRaven]

ne0 you really need to know what you are talking about before you go ranting on about crap. OpenCL was introduced with SL yes, I never said anything different.

OpenCL has nothing to do with GPU acceleration of the UI or previously implemented GPU acceleration systems of a non display related nature such as CoreImage. OpenCL is a unified language for general computing that will make use of both CPU and GPU resources available for massively parallel processing. DirectCompute on the other hand is a GPU only solution so it is already inferior to OpenCL. DirectCompute, just like OpenCL has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UI.

People like you drive me insane.

This comment "Instead, once developers begin to use OpenCL in their applications, you’ll experience greatly improved speed in a wide spectrum of applications." applies equally to DirectCompute. This is not an opinion it is FACT.

>>Mac is just making the 64bit transition. Is it? HHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHH -...HAHAHHHAAAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...Your ignorance is embarrassing ne0. Really embarrassing... This is absolute bullshit. Do you even understand what 64bit means and not just that but what it actually means as far as software is concerned? You have been able to run 64bit applications in OS X for quite some time, and completely seamlessly without the need for multiple OS versions etc.

>>Macs are just starting to use Nvidia Geforce 120s....blah blah blah. Um weren't we talking about OS X versus Windows 7? Last time I checked Windows 7 was software not hardware. As for the rest of this block it's not even worth commenting on...can't add a HDD to an iMac huh? As for my Mac Pro it has 4 HDDs in it at this point in time. But anyway I wasn't going to comment on this drivel was I...

>>How about this wonderful thing called PC gaming? Yeah what about it?

[Zom-B]

Since Mac OS X is limited to the few Mac Machines able running it I consider it a software massively optimized for special hardware. Having this restriction OS X became this what it is, a awesome Operation system!

Windows needs to run on very hardware combination (even on a Mac), this aspect results in "XY%" (insert number) just of development time/cost/problems for this operation system...

Because of this big difference please finally stop comparing them on the same level... they aren't!!!
I'm fine with it that Apple is more awesome in every possible way, I'm fine with apple... realy!

I only don't like a big bunch of the people using them... mostly it changes the attitude of the user to something very drastic and radical... something that you think to posses while you become possessed by! You don't get a better person by running a better system. I saw this happening at Design school... the people felt awesome because they had awesome hardware, blended and unable to see that their work still was crap... (I talk here about people I know, not about you Wyt!!!)

On the other hand the PC users being a big crowd and available for everybody is simply infected by stupid people that really need to communicate with others and they are EVERYWHERE, its soooo many!

[neo0.]

It's not as if im pulling this stuff out of a a hat. This is just what Apple's own website said


As for open CL, it was the only gpu related feature, so I can assume that Apple isn't as ahead of microsoft as we thought.



Windows DOES have UI acceleration. Aside from that, I also heard it uses the gpu to manage running applications more effectively.

[WytRaven]

Oh my god. You actually are brain dead aren't you?

[juan_irender]

Hi.
OpenCL is not related to OSX UI, wich is GPU accelerated since OSX 10.5 if I remember well. OpenCL isn´t a property of Apple, instead is an Open Consortium to wich Apple belongs:
http://www.khronos.org/opencl/
The difference is that OSX 10.6, aka Snow Leopard, offers OpenCL support integrated in the OS, and such support is a new way on OS development.
OpenCL isn´t specifically tied to game development, as DirectCompute seems to be (forms part of DirectX 11), since OpenCL is a programming platform conceived for solving general computing problems.
On the other hand, and in respect to 64 bit, the fact is that Microsoft basically has two distinct versions of its OS, Windows, the 32 bit one and the 64 bit one (and a bunch of sub-types tailored for different uses and users). Apple only sells two versions of its OS: an all purpose workstation one, and the server one. 64 bit support forms part of both versions, you choose how do you want to run an app, in 32 or 64 bits. Cinema 4D is a good example of what I´m saying. So no problems of 32/64 bits compatibility here, as occurs with the 64 bits version of Windows (I know what I´m saying).
I´m a daily (and happy) Windows Vista user, so I´m not biased toward Apple and its OSs.
But now, I must choose wich 64 bits road I´ll follow, and for now OSX and Apple is the clear winner.

Cheers!