One more reason to look forward to Win7

[Zom-B]

I mean it's about time MS released an OS that actually works right? 7th time's a charm?

I hate such comments... Mac Os X freezed about 10x oftener that my Vista on my iMac, and I'm working 80% on windows... so please, please, please stop it!

This is such a old tale that gets into the heads and never leaves this is software rasism! MS is a bunch of evil bastards like history showed, but please stay objective... I'm from germany and also no Nazi, just because of the history of this country...

Back in Design school in the computer room (with around 30of the older crt eMacs) only 75% of the Macs where usable because of operating system freezes all the time during working on it!!!

[WytRaven]

@ne0

Well here's a link to an article I wrote for codeproject.com sometime ago. I wrote this just before becoming completely disillusioned with Windows and shifting to Linux. I then found Linux to be too wild and out of control, and finally found peace and happiness with Mac OS X.

The article demonstrates the potential that Vista had for innovative interfaces but unfortunately MS decided to hide a large part of the APIs that would have made some really interesting stuff possible choosing instead to only expose a tiny bit to the programmers and wrapped up the rest in .NET.

Basically to build an interface for an app around the concept I demonstrate here would take an enormous amount of work and I have yet to see anyone do that. One of these days I will get around to trying to achieve the same thing under Mac OS X to see how much Quartz functionality is available for Apple developers to play with. One day, one day....

[WytRaven]

I hate such comments... Mac Os X freezed about 10x oftener that my Vista on my iMac, and I'm working 80% on windows... so please, please, please stop it!

1. This was a joke ZomB, note the winkie.
2. I have never had an OS related crash or freeze on my Mac Pro ever, not once. So I will tell it the way I see it from personal experience. I have no idea what was going on with your iMac but that is certainly not typical.

[neo0.]

I have had lockups with imacs frequently too..

Still, if I wasn't such a big gamer, and there weren't so many apps being developed for it, I would probabaly ditch windows.. Mainly because :
1) The interface is too cluttered. Windows 7 looks like it will be improving the task bar in this respect, but Chrome showed that a simple UI produces a much better user experience. I have half a dozen windows explorer windows open.. Why windows doesn't automatically group them together is a mystery.

2) The amount of software you have to download/buy is ridiculous. What if you want to edit audio, convert video or picture formats, download media off the web in bulk, etc? Windows can't do any of these things. You need to hunt for freeware on the web, which can take hours. Windows media player has finally gotten to the point where it can play a decent amount of file formats, but internet explorer is still, after nearly a decade, the worst browser by far.

I love how you get access to all this free software on PC, but the problem is that it's a necessity. Searching for programs to replace and patch up the holes in windows seem to be an innate part of the windows experience.

3) The security is awful. Windows defender has such a tiny database that it is almost useless (not to mention that it doesn't offer any standard features like choosing scan locations, immunizing your host files, checking BHOs, LSPs, etc.) Windows firewall can't block outgoing TCP or UDP connections either, so if a worm is downloading more copies of itself, you can't really do much. In an ideal world, windows defender would actually be able to remove most of the infections and keep your computer relatively clean.

4) The updates are probabaly the worst part. Windows restarts out of nowhere, without warning or permission, throwing anything you were doing down the drain.

It would be nice if windows would allow you to use custom themes in an easy manor. How about automatic driver updating?

[WytRaven]

Well MS actually needs some defence on a couple of these points. The awful security will probably in the end come down to the fact that if MS was to provide a more complete security system as part of the Windows package then they would probably get slapped with yet another anti-competion lawsuit.

I have to agree that the default setting of automatically downloading updates and then forcibly shutting down the OS is just ridiculous. I mean sure you can change the settings but having that as the default is just weird.

Actually back on the first point of anti-competition stuff...I'm surprised that MS doesn't do what Apple does and separate it's utility bundle from it's OS to avoid such a problem. Apple's base software that comes with every new Mac called iLife is technically a separate product. Seems a fairly elegant way to get around the problem to me...although I suppose it is easier to implement such a strategy when you are selling the complete computing product and not just an OS.

[gagar]

No I mean seriously, as much as Vista has it's flaws I still liked it, and even so Windows 7 is a leap forward compared to it, catch-up or no catch-up compared to Apple, Windows 7 beats Vista hands down. Ever since I started running Win7 (64bit) my boot times have been ridiculously quick. And I was surprised that I havent so far come accross any problems with the fact that it's a 64 bit OS, I was expecting driver issues, programs not running properly, ... none of that crap so I'm quite happy

Vista has been a failure for MS. Many are still using XP/2000.
That was my point that MS get its act together on Windows 7 and that it must beat Vista hands down (which in my opinion is not that difficult).

Windows 7 will be a success. And that's good for us, OS X users, as it will foster competition.

2. I have never had an OS related crash or freeze on my Mac Pro ever, not once. So I will tell it the way I see it from personal experience. I have no idea what was going on with your iMac but that is certainly not typical.

I'll have to second that. My iMac never froze or crashed once in almost 3 years now. Some applications did, but OS X it self not once.

[fused]

oh, it's on again ^^



btw, Wyt... I read an interesting article about how and why Windows is more secure than OSX - written by a hacker.

If I find that again, I'll post it here...

[Meelis]

Is it true DP Xeon will work only on Pro+ versions, not lower like basic to premium

[fused]

Is it true DP Xeon will work only on Pro+ versions, not lower like basic to premium

yes

stupid move, microsoft!

[zeitmeister]

Someone has to explain to me why an OS needs to come in 6 different versions.

[WytRaven]

oh, it's on again ^^



btw, Wyt... I read an interesting article about how and why Windows is more secure than OSX - written by a hacker.

If I find that again, I'll post it here...

Well that doesn't surprise me, an I can't comment as I really don't know but....America is more secure than Australia but you don't see us having any problems because we haven't pissed anyone off Maybe the same theme applies here?

[Borgleader]

oh, it's on again ^^

btw, Wyt... I read an interesting article about how and why Windows is more secure than OSX - written by a hacker.

If I find that again, I'll post it here...

Well that doesn't surprise me, an I can't comment as I really don't know but....America is more secure than Australia but you don't see us having any problems because we haven't pissed anyone off Maybe the same theme applies here?

http://www.dailytech.com/Hacker+Apples+ ... e16273.htm
Is it this one?

Someone has to explain to me why an OS needs to come in 6 different versions.

Well there are technically 3 versions of it except theres are two "flavors" being 32-bit & 64-bit, most consumers will take 32-bit because it doesnt change much for them. As for the 3 versions of windows, afaik there are options that are present in the more expensive versions which are mostly/only useful for businesses which explains the profession/ultimate versions.

TBH, any home user buying Windows 7 uultimate/professional wasted money. Home Premium is all you need.

[zeitmeister]

As for the 3 versions of windows, afaik there are options that are present in the more expensive versions which are mostly/only useful for businesses which explains the profession/ultimate versions.

Ah.
But with OS X, I can have all useful options in one OS.
If I want to.

[fused]

http://www.dailytech.com/Hacker+Apples+ ... e16273.htm
Is it this one?

uhm, maybe, page won't load

[Borgleader]

http://www.dailytech.com/Hacker+Apples+ ... e16273.htm
Is it this one?

uhm, maybe, page won't load

Thats odd it loads fine for me I've pastebin'ed the article:
http:*******************/48975

EDIT: apparently pastebin.org is evil and pastebin.com is the safe site, my bad.