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Kram1032 · Post by **Kram1032** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:32 am

If so, it's incredible, that BiDir brings out THAT much detail!
In the first pic some things completely disappeared and some colourswhere differnt! (black -> yellow)

But the "waiting area" must be new!
I can't even see the shapes of it in the first render.

manuel wrote:The ground is too clean ;o)

If the ground shall be cleaner, maybe graffitis on the wall of the train would be great, too! (Or at least some scratches, that let the train appear less "new")

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:41 am

Watch your levels in Photoshop (or whatever) ! I won't repeat myself again but I had to gamma correct your image a lot in order to enjoy your work (with reason), make sure your display is not too far off target...

Balance indoor/outdoor energies (or it's a pity as far as I'm concerned) :/

manuel · Post by **manuel** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:51 am

Oh hehe some "little" changes are in the Textures like the red stripes turned to dirty yellow..
CTZ the image is too dark (i agree there is a loss of informatiion in the dark area) didnt work on the settings to use the whole brightness range yet, but it shouldnt be such dark that its near black?! my screen settings are at 50% contrast 85% brightn.

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:20 am

CTZ the image is too dark (i agree there is a loss of informatiion in the dark area) didnt work on the settings to use the whole brightness range yet, but it shouldnt be such dark that its near black?! my screen settings are at 50% contrast 85% brightn.

At least it is such black than I couldn't tell the train was yellow... in fact I couldn't tell there was a train (althought I could see the reflections in the glasses)

Well, your settings depends of the hardware itself, for instance LCD boosts much more mid ranges colours than CRT for the same hardware gamma (graphic board wise)...

Pre-scale in tone mapping will boost these mid tones

I'm glad you didn't take my crit in a bad way

Kram1032 · Post by **Kram1032** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:24 am

You both have to look at the 2nd image! the first is too dark, but the 2nd one is fine! xD

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:55 pm

Call me stupid

My display told me this one would be fine, ask another CRT

[img]http://www.worldparallelftp.com/adam/me ... ay3[1].jpg[/img]

My system's gamma is set at 2.20 on a 3dLabs Wildcat Realizm, isn't that serious ?
BTW calibrated LCD's doesn't exist

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:28 am

Have I been harsh

How does that look on a LCD ???

Kosmokrator · Post by **Kosmokrator** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:33 am

i think too bright for my taste.....ctzn....i have anLG L1950sq....i think something midle of yours image and the manuel will be great!

Kram1032 · Post by **Kram1032** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:44 am

Yep, too bright.
I actually like manuels

I've a plasma-screen and both look fine, but yours is too bright.

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:10 am

Aight, gotta admit it once more time... my display, that bugger, is 7 years old

manuel · Post by **manuel** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:25 am

Hm tricky thing, the Settings

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heres another version. added a clock and seats

Lord of the Rings Junkie · Post by **Lord of the Rings Junkie** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:24 pm

I can hardly see anything, I like CTZn's version.

[Edit] I'm using a CRT. (hp pavilion mx703)

CTZn · Post by **CTZn** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:14 pm

Lord of the Rings Junkie wrote:I can hardly see anything, I like CTZn's version.

[Edit] I'm using a CRT. (hp pavilion mx703)

My friend, let's marry our displays or the race will be lost

Now guys and gals have a look at what's wrong with LCD's, this is the levels straight out from the original image (last one posted) and the correction I had to apply in order to enjoy it on my display:

You can see how poorly the color range is used (and how much compression occurs) with this "new technology". Now if there is someone good at this, it would be cool to reverse these settings so you can see on a LCD how the image does appear on a CRT.

And finally, this is the corrected result for (average) CRT, so more ppl can enjoy your work, Manuel:

Manuel, LCD's owners, don't take me wrong, I'm talking here about a technological issue. The image itself is amongst the most beautyfull I've ever seen on this site. Sincerely now I can tell it is AMAZING !!! This is just... photoreal

Premium prize for Ono and Manuel, I say

Kram1032 · Post by **Kram1032** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:56 am

that lastest pic is too dark aswell, as the very first, manuel!
I liked your 2ndf setting

But the scene it self is great!

2 things:
hygiene is too good
I already said that, but: too dark, again.

All teh rest is really GREAT

Post by **OnoSendai** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:06 am

Awesome pic Manuel, it's getting better and better.
I would say Manuel's version is too dark, and CTZn's is too light.
(I have a CRT and a LCD right beside each other, so I can test on both)

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