Indigo 2.2.1

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by CTZn » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:31 am

Concerning the two images posted by Godzilla: one can see the improvements in the 2.2.1 images, notably reflections.

In the 2.0.12 image there are various spots were you can find isolated, strong pixels. If you compare those spots with the 2.2.1 render, you can see that there have been more sampling around (more softened samples): the convergence was clearly faster there, and more than twice it seems.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by suvakas » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:35 am

I'm rendering an animation atm and noise is not "dancing" around anymore. The noise pattern stays same between different frames. Great improvement !

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Zom-B » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:43 am

This "dancing arround" is afaik depending to MLT and the "patchy convergence" of the image... in PTh you have more classy "overall noise"

btw: connection to master seems still like playing roulette here :(

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by suvakas » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:57 am

I do all my animations with PT (I only use MLT with interior scenes and scenes with a lot of caustics present.) The noise pattern is different now than it was before.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Phr0stByte » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:37 am

Man, I want to Indigo again so bad. Two problems though:

1) Maya plugin development seems to be dormant
2) WAY too expensive - Not that Ono doesn't deserve every penny, It's just that I cannot afford it.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by dougal2 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:13 am

Phr0stByte wrote:1) Maya plugin development seems to be dormant.
Hopefully not for much longer, CTZn and myself are literally on the verge of agreeing formally to work with Glare.

I'm just trying to work out some of the finer details of the economics at my end of things, as it looks like I'll have to invest financially to be able to do the work I need to do.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Phr0stByte » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:59 am

dougal2 wrote:
Phr0stByte wrote:1) Maya plugin development seems to be dormant.
Hopefully not for much longer, CTZn and myself are literally on the verge of agreeing formally to work with Glare.

I'm just trying to work out some of the finer details of the economics at my end of things, as it looks like I'll have to invest financially to be able to do the work I need to do.
That sounds real good - I hope to scrape up enough freelance jobs to be able to afford Indigo, but with the current economic situation, it will probably take longer than I would wish.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by OnoSendai » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:38 pm

ZomB wrote:Yes I did... hmmm... I'll keep trying

Another Problem I found:

EXR files aren't saved anymore (tonemapped & untonemapped) if you set them to be saved on Exporter :(
Yeah, I disabled that. Do you use it, and what for?

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Zom-B » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:28 pm

OnoSendai wrote:
ZomB wrote:Yes I did... hmmm... I'll keep trying

Another Problem I found:

EXR files aren't saved anymore (tonemapped & untonemapped) if you set them to be saved on Exporter :(
Yeah, I disabled that. Do you use it, and what for?
Simply to have 32bit output if rendering with halt situations (animations for example)
Used this for my Toon Car animation to denoise in 16bit :)

More critical is atm the network connectivity in this version anyway.... :(

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by OnoSendai » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:41 pm

ZomB wrote:
OnoSendai wrote:
ZomB wrote:Yes I did... hmmm... I'll keep trying

Another Problem I found:

EXR files aren't saved anymore (tonemapped & untonemapped) if you set them to be saved on Exporter :(
Yeah, I disabled that. Do you use it, and what for?
Simply to have 32bit output if rendering with halt situations (animations for example)
Used this for my Toon Car animation to denoise in 16bit :)

More critical is atm the network connectivity in this version anyway.... :(
The OpenEXR output in Indigo is 16 bit per component. I'll add it back in to the next version.
Do you use tonemapped or untonemapped output?

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by OnoSendai » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:42 pm

ZomB wrote: More critical is atm the network connectivity in this version anyway.... :(
Can you post the logs for the client(s) and master when the networking fails?

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Zom-B » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:07 pm

OnoSendai wrote:The OpenEXR output in Indigo is 16 bit per component. I'll add it back in to the next version.
Oh, only 16bit... why this?

OnoSendai wrote:Do you use tonemapped or untonemapped output?
I use mostly the tonemapped EXR file, but for some projects tonemapping via external Tools is a quite nice possibility!

OnoSendai wrote:Can you post the logs for the client(s) and master when the networking fails?
It seems only chance to get any connection is by forcing to connect with -h command line! even then a running Slave don't recognize any master often (attempting to connect.... >>> WSAETIMEOUT)

I just recognized that the master tells me just sometimes (often nothing!!!):

Code: Select all

Network slave connected from 192.168.0.81:49389
ClientProxy: MySocketExcep: Connection Closed.
Dropping connection to slave.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by OnoSendai » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:24 pm

Updated with some performance results:
The Cornell box scene converges to a perceptually noiseless level approximately twice as fast with version 2.2.1, relative to 2.0 stable.

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by Marvin » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:20 am

Godzilla, I see these differences:
1.) the wall has structures in the second render - I think this is something you intended
2.) much less noise on the reflections near the screw

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Re: Indigo 2.2.1

Post by benn » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:29 pm

To clarify - Indigo 2.2 requires half as many samples per pixel to reach a noiselessness when compared to Indigo 2.0.

So if it took you 2 hours to render completely with 2.0, it should take 1 hour for 1.0. That's in the general case. If you are using environment maps, the speed up is from 5 hours down to 1 hour.

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